of, well, it’s like the Marx Brothers. It’s a world of crazy adventures. Debunking, debunking serious things and 
serious people. Erasmus’ Praise of Folie , Rabelais’ Gargantua . These are Menippean satires that are debunking serious people and pretension. They’re put-ons.

Forsdale: What interests you in that?

McLuhan: I’m working on Tristram Shandy .

Forsdale: Why?

McLuhan: With Eric. My son Eric is doing a doctorate on Tristram Shandy  and Menippean satire in Tristram Shandy.

Forsdale: Aside from fatherly affection . . .